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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Autor</th> <th class="thCornerR">Wiadomość</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 5:49, 23 Wrz 2023<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"Then came the sons of Cham, and made Nembroth a prince over themselves: but the sons of Japheth made Phenech their chief: and the sons of Sem gathered together and set over them Jectan to be their prince." <br />(Filon (Philo) z Aleksandrii)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 5:46, 23 Wrz 2023<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">In Pseudo-Philo, the direction for the building is ascribed not only to Nimrod, who is made prince of the Hamites, but also to Joktan, as prince of the Semites, and to Phenech son of Dodanim, as prince of the Japhetites. <br />(en . Wikipedia . org: "Tower of Babel")</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 5:30, 23 Wrz 2023<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Joktan był pierwszym księciem Semitów <br />(źródło: Filon z Aleksandrii).</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pon 21:45, 17 Maj 2021<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Powyższe omówienie synów Joktana pochodzi z pism Giovanni Nanni, który przypomniał i komentował Borossosa: <br /> <br />"Berosi Chaldaei Sacerdotis Reliquorumque consimilis argumenti" <br />(dostępne na Books Google)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Sob 12:40, 30 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">"Istri" u Berossosa po łacinie: <br /> <br /> <br />In Europa regem Sarmatiae fecit Tuysconem a Tanai ad Rhenum, iunctique sunt illi omnes filii Istri et Mesae cum fratribus suis ab Adula monte usque in Mesembericam Ponticam. <br /> <br />Anno eiusdem .xxv. Thuyscon Sarmatas maximos populos fundavit, et Mesa cum filiis Istri priscos Mesios posuit, usque Ponticam Mesembriam ab Adula monte. <br /> <br /> Anno autem sequente Itali oppressi a tyrannis gigantibus in tribus Palensanis, advocaverunt Osirim, qui cum coloniis ad Istri vicinos fontes pervenerat.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pią 16:41, 29 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Giovanni Nanni, rok 1512 pisał: <br /> <br />"Sarmate veroa Sarmate filio Istri. Moyses vero vocat Ictan & asarmauet:quos Berosus dicit Istrum & Sarmate."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Czw 14:45, 28 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Biała Księga - Joktan <br /> <br /> <br />KIEDY URODZIŁ SIĘ JOKTAN? <br />W JAKICH OKOLICZNOŚCIACH JOKTAN OPUŚCIŁ BABILONIĘ? <br />KIEDY JOKTAN ZOSTAŁ KSIĘCIEM? <br />JAKIE SĄ OKOLICZNOŚCI POCZĄTKÓW PANOWANIA JOKTANA? <br />JAK ZAPISYWANO IMIĘ JOKTANA? <br />KIEDY ZMARŁ JOKTAN? <br />W JAKICH OKOLICZNOŚCIACH PRZEKAZAŁ WŁADZĘ SYNOM? <br />CO WIEMY O SYNACH JOKTANA? <br />JAK NAZYWAŁA SIĘ ŻONA JOKTANA? <br />GDZIE ZNAJDOWALA SIĘ SIEDZIBA JOKTANA? <br />KTÓRĘDY JOKTAN DOTARŁ NAD DUNAJ?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Wto 11:19, 26 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Istropolis to starożytna nazwa Bratysławy. (według anglojęzycznej Wikipedii) <br /> <br />Greckie słowo "polis" oznacza miasto. <br /> <br />Istropolis znaczy w takim razie "Miasto Istera". <br />Ister - to także starożytna nazwa rzeki Dunaj.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Wto 11:00, 26 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">5. Odorrha (Aduram) - Góry Adula (w Alpach Zachodnich) <br />6. Aibel - ? <br />7. Decla (Dicla) - Dicliotae (?) <br />8. Eval - ? <br />9. Abimael (Albines) - Góra Albanus. <br />10. Saba (Sheba) - Rzeka Saus (?) <br />11. Uphir (Ophir) - Epirus (północno zachodnia Grecja) <br />12. Evila - ? <br />13. Jobab (Tybus) - Tybisca (?)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Wto 10:39, 26 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Joktan (Ister) - Istropolis (może Bratysława) <br /> 1. Elmodad - Dalmacja (na wschodnim wybrzeżu Adriatyku) <br /> 2. Saleth - Salona (miasto w Chorwacji) <br /> 3. Sarmoth - Sarmacja <br /> 4. Jarach - Iader (Zadar - miasto w Chorwacji)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Wto 10:22, 26 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Synowie Joktana (Rdz 10, 26-28; Septuaginta) <br /> <br />"And Jektan begot Elmodad, and Saleth, and Sarmoth, and Jarach, and Odorrha, and Aibel, and Decla, Eval, and Abimael, and Saba, and Uphir, and Evila, and Jobab, all these were the sons of Jektan." <br /> <br /> <br />Z przypisów na stronie: <br /> <br />ancientpatriarchs . wordpress . com <br /> <br /> <br />Synowie Joktana (Istera), nazwy krain, które zajęli i nazwy ludów od imion pochodzące: <br /> <br />--- Whereas the Sarmatae are so called from Sarmates the son of Ister. But Moses calls them Ictan [Joktan] and Asarmauet [Hazarmaveth, Vulgate: Asarmoth, Gen. 10. 26], whom Berosus calls Ister and Sarmates. The Greeks call the latter Sauromatae. <br />--- Mount Adula is named after Adula son of Ister, whom Moses calls Aduram [Hadoram, Vulgate Aduram, son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 27] <br />--- Istropolis from the chieftain Ister [Joktan], and <br />--- Tybisca from Tybus son of Ister [Tybus = Jobab son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 29]. <br /> <br />Ptolemy writes the names of localities based on those of these sons and grandsons of Ister: <br /> <br />--- the River Saus [Saus = Sheba son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 28], <br />--- the Azali people [Azal = Uzal son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 27] and from his brother <br />--- Albines [Albines = Abimael, son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 28] Mount Albanus. <br />--- Further on this side of the range of Mount Adula reaching as far as Mesembria, you will find the Mesei Lyburni, from the chieftain Mesa [Mash son of Aram]. <br />--- The colony of Iader, from Iader son of Ister [Iader = Jerah son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 26]. <br />--- This side of Mount Mesa, you will find Dalmatia, from Dalmatad son of Ister [Dalmatad = Almodad son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 26], <br />--- Dicliotae from Dicla son of Ister [Diklah, Vulgate Decla, son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 27]. <br />--- Salona from Sale son of Ister [presumably Sheleph son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 26, though the same name is transcribed “Saladeus” in the genealogical chart in Book II of the Defloratio]. <br />---Epirus gets its name from the son of Ister [Ophir son of Joktan, Gen. 10. 29].</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Piotr-246</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Wysłany: Pon 10:43, 25 Cze 2018<span class="gen"> </span> Temat postu: Temat: Joktan</span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"><span style="font-weight: bold">Temat: Joktan</span> <br /> <br /> <br />Joktan był młodszym synem Ebera. Imię Joktan występuje także jako: Ister (Istri - po łacinie) Ictan, Ictim, Jektan, Joktan, Yoctan, Yoqtan. <br /> <br />Biblia podaje imiona 13 synów Joktana. <br /> <br />"Monopanthon harmonicum et chronologicum" przy roku świata 1801 wymienia synów Joktana wraz z nazwami ludów, które zapoczątkowali: między innymi: "Asarmoth per quosdam Sarmatas..."</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="http://picsrv.fora.pl/subSilver/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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